Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Mr.X » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:55 am

@samcsli
LOL I love the pic...Fine mate, I agree with those alternatives you mentioned above, then you go buy them, maybe Sandboxie is not for your budget, too expensive (being sarcastic). Oh btw Sandboxie it's the best at sanboxing, high quality have a price, oh btw the actual price it's a bargain, no doubts. :mrgreen:
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by bo.elam » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:12 pm

samcsli wrote: finally, many protection software are cheaper then sandboxie, and if not, local store often have them on sale.
And none is as good as Sandboxie. Samcsli, seriously, in my personal opinion, none of those programs that you are thinking about are even worth as much as Sandboxies free version. If you gave me the choice of using Sandboxies free version or a combo of any three paid security programs out of the ones that you are comparing to SBIE, I ll take Sandboxies free version. Thats how much this program is worth, in my view.

I honestly believe that. And I also believe that getting yourself a license is one of the best things that you can do with your money. I live in a very poor country, third world and things are pretty rough over here right now. But I am glad that I have a SBIE license. And purchasing it is the best money that I have ever spend on line. No doubt about it. :D

Like I said in another post, I would like to see the lifetime license make a comeback but even if it does not, the price for the one year personal license is still worth every cent. Its pretty cheap,

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by SandboxieUser42 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:00 am

JoeHood wrote: That reasoning is flawed because Sandboxie FREE will protect your computer just fine. And if you owned many many computers you could put the free version on each one of them - forever. To use that gift against the developer by claiming it's not fair to pay the same amount of money for something you already own mostly is what is not fair.
No, maybe you got me wrong or I didn't wrote clearly. I did not mean the gift as you owning. I mean the full version of SB after you paid for. After purchasing it there is no more work to be done to use it an infinite amount of time. If the devs did some updates I am fine to pay again for it. And these updates are only a small part of the whole software. So they should not cost the same amount of money again. There are no differences between short time and long timer user. There are no costs for the devs to keep on running a bought version (except updates for that I can pay for). I do not fully need the full-version but sometimes it would be good to have one. These moments could be once a year or 100 times or even not at all. To buy SB at these moments to use it once and never need it again in this year would be to expensive (15€ to use it ounce). Buying it every year at the same time is neither good if you don't need it in a year (pay 15€ without using it at all). If you pay for a longer time period for example 4 year or lifetime it would average out. (Might be different for power users.)
JoeHood wrote: And for those who claim to be one of the good old friends, how is it you existed for so long on just the free version? If now the lifetime license is so important?
As I wrote in my first post I couldn't afford the way of payment at this time. There was only the option to pay with credit card. I was still in school and credit card's are not the usual way to pay something in my country, only less amount of people had one. They cost money and you don't need them in normal life. I searched for SB in local stores but couldn't found it. During studies there were lack of time to occupy with SB. Some months ago there were another reason to get a credit card. In addition to that I found a pleasant type of credit card I didn't know before. I decided to get one (SB was one of these two reasons). After using it for the other reason I went to SB-Homepage to buy SB. I noticed there is no lifetime license anymore ....
Mr.X wrote:Forget about clumsy analogies or costs involved in a production of a software such as Sandboxie. The point here is on the consumer side not the producer side. What the consumer perceives and feels about purchasing anything:
Buying 4 hamburgers = 15 Euros
Buying 1 year license = 15 Euros

For me it's crystal clear I wouldn't think twice, license price is a bargain. Period. Any other argument against this is a mere excuse to justify stinginess... :shock:
Might be true if you eat hamburgers every day and use SB-Full version features very often. In last 10 years I have eaten less than 4 hamburgers and there were about 10 times were I could benefit from the full-version of SB. Paying 150€ for it isn't worth it. And would be more than 10 times more than the money I spend on hamburgers. People and software usage are different.

There is no stinginess at my side I would pay much more for the lifetime license to never consider it again and keep it done. Currently as a consumer I perceive the uncertainty if I should buy it or not. Lifetime license would change that.

There is also no argument about a lifetime license for 100€ with 10-activations at the same time (or something like that). With this offer they probably will earn more money per user because I'm pretty sure the average use time with the annual payment is less than 6 years.(for short term user they can still offer 15€ per year of course)

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Mr.X » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:25 am

The thing here is how people is motivated to purchase something, the underlying psychology acting under people's thought patterns, specifically purchase and satisfaction patterns.
The thing here is how people feels about purchasing something. Purchase a couple of sport shoes, beautiful and comfortable, expensive btw, and they "feel" (emotions) instant satisfaction, then they forget those shoes a week later.
What does people feel when purchasing a 1 year license of Sandboxie program? Not much satisfaction, they don't realize the peace of mind in return when their privacy and sensitive data, not to mention pc tech fees when OS is damaged, are saved and safe. So how much a sport shoes maker spends to sell their product or all the things you can say about software companies (whether the owns the original code and re-sell it again, bla bla bla) is irrelevant.
The point is how do you (and people in general) feel about purchasing tangible goods vs intangible goods. From my pov, people needs more education, or... learn by the hard way (getting infected and all the consequences of such infection).
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Mr.X » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:33 am

Another pov of mine:
If a well known fast food hamburger chain gets multi-billionaire, why these people, IT (software makers) won't get rich with intangible goods that require talent, brain, super hard work for development. This is the information era, these people needs to be rewarded with the big money.
Hamburgers makers getting richer? eek!!!
Technology makers getting rich? Good!!! (Good technology not garbage like phone cell industry)
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Curt@invincea » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:09 pm

SandboxieUser42 wrote:No, maybe you got me wrong or I didn't wrote clearly. I did not mean the gift as you owning. I mean the full version of SB after you paid for. After purchasing it there is no more work to be done to use it an infinite amount of time. If the devs did some updates I am fine to pay again for it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hear that guys? No more work to be done. I'm going for that Mediterranean cruise! See ya!

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Mr.X » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:13 pm

Curt@invincea wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hear that guys? No more work to be done. I'm going for that Mediterranean cruise! See ya!
@Curt
Thank you for pointing this out, this is the most stupid thing I've ever heard or read in my digital life... :shock: :
SandboxieUser42 wrote:No, maybe you got me wrong or I didn't wrote clearly. I did not mean the gift as you owning. I mean the full version of SB after you paid for. After purchasing it there is no more work to be done to use it an infinite amount of time. If the devs did some updates I am fine to pay again for it.
W T F ?????
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by bo.elam » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:47 pm

SandboxieUser42, maintaining Sandboxie is continous work, it never stops. Take Chrome as an example, search for Chrome and read the posts from the past few months and you ll see that its taken a lot of effort and work from the people working in Sandboxie to keep Chrome working well under Sandboxie, after every Chrome update. :)

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by F1R3 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:55 pm

I think it would help Sandboxie grow if they take advantage of a limited time sale following a some recommendations.

To get a lifetime license, you have to do the following:
Call it: The Chance of a Lifetime!
○Buy a 1 year license
○Refer 3 friends to the 1 year license by New Years Eve. (This license could go on sale 2 days before the lifetime deal is announced)
(optional) ○If someone started the referall process but did not bring 3 new people to enlightenment before the deadline, they can still "Save a Lifetime" if they complete some additional requirement(s), such as referring 7 additional people.

Should you consider it?
Would you like see your yearly customers skyrocket?
It can make Sandboxie gold, if done right.

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Mr.X » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:10 am

bo.elam wrote:SandboxieUser42, maintaining Sandboxie is continuous work, it never stops. Take Chrome as an example, search for Chrome and read the posts from the past few months and you ll see that its taken a lot of effort and work from the people working in Sandboxie to keep Chrome working well under Sandboxie, after every Chrome update. :)

Bo.
Bo, thanks for your explanation but I really don't think people currently don't know about the hard and ongoing updation a good quality software undergoes. Much less people that understand or barely understand Sandboxie added value. I perceive, in this case (SandboxieUser42), a mere trolling posts, otherwise this user needs to self-educate quite a bit more.

@anyone
For any other beggars trying to be cheap (sorry for being rude), remember my clumsy analogy already posted:
Buying 4 hamburgers (satisfies hunger for 5 hours) = 15 Euros
Buying 1 year license (peace of mind about safety of your personal/sensible data for 365 days)= 15 Euros

Do a self-analysis on how you feel about buying software licenses (intangible) vs any other stuff (mostly useless). This is a matter of how consumer feels when purchasing not a dissertation about the processes to produce goods/services vs. software. If you still feeling bad for purchasing a Sandboxie license then you need to re-educate yourself on this matter.
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by JoeHood » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:39 pm

The hambuger analogy needs also the free version. How about this; you are hungry, you go to a place that is world famous for their hamburgers. That is how they make thier profit. The chef is also world famous for his soup. It has bits of the same exact hamburger in the soup. The owner gives you the soup for free, because you are hungry. And he keeps giving you free soup, no matter how often you come in. You bring your friends, and he gives them free soup also. But if you want the hambuger you need to pay for it.

And if the chef goes to chef school and improves his hamburger, he might charge more for his hamburger. But if he does not learn anything new, that does not mean that he now has to give the hamburger away for free.

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by SandboxieUser42 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:22 pm

Mr.X wrote:Another pov of mine:
If a well known fast food hamburger chain gets multi-billionaire, why these people, IT (software makers) won't get rich with intangible goods that require talent, brain, super hard work for development. This is the information era, these people needs to be rewarded with the big money.
Hamburgers makers getting richer? eek!!!
Technology makers getting rich? Good!!! (Good technology not garbage like phone cell industry)
That's true, I'm on your side. I'm willed to pay more for SB than hamburgers.
Take Microsoft Windows as an example. You buy Version "...", you can use it as long as you want. At some time the next version will apear and you can upgrade your old OS to the new one.
They made a lot of money with this kind of selling. So why not with SB?
Curt@invincea wrote:
SandboxieUser42 wrote:No, maybe you got me wrong or I didn't wrote clearly. I did not mean the gift as you owning. I mean the full version of SB after you paid for. After purchasing it there is no more work to be done to use it an infinite amount of time. If the devs did some updates I am fine to pay again for it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hear that guys? No more work to be done. I'm going for that Mediterranean cruise! See ya!
Mr.X wrote: @Curt
Thank you for pointing this out, this is the most stupid thing I've ever heard or read in my digital life... :shock: :
SandboxieUser42 wrote:No, maybe you got me wrong or I didn't wrote clearly. I did not mean the gift as you owning. I mean the full version of SB after you paid for. After purchasing it there is no more work to be done to use it an infinite amount of time. If the devs did some updates I am fine to pay again for it.
W T F ?????
So tell me please one thing a developer need to done, which hinder me using it for infinite amount of time.
There is no more work to be done to maintain the capability on a static system. I'm able to use it as long I want without any work done by the devs (example please, if you think not).
In normal usage a static system is an unreal behaviour. Over time the programs, functions and content I use will change. Incompatibility and/or errors may appear.
I might can live with that. If not I could buy an update for SB.
So please add at least a lifetime version without updates.

You may also compute the average usage time of an user, add some profit constants and multiply it by the annual usage cost.
Even if you say 120 (years of human life) times 15€ is 1800€. There will still some people who would buy this. To maximize profit a lower price would
probably be more valuable. As I told before I would pay about 100€ for it. I am pretty sure that it's more than you get from an average user.
bo.elam wrote:SandboxieUser42, maintaining Sandboxie is continous work, it never stops. Take Chrome as an example, search for Chrome and read the posts from the past few months and you ll see that its taken a lot of effort and work from the people working in Sandboxie to keep Chrome working well under Sandboxie, after every Chrome update. :)

Bo.
So, they did an update. If I need it, I am willing to pay for it (as I wrote before). If I don't need the added feature/function and can live with some incompatibility and/or errors there is no reason
to pay for something I don't need.
Mr.X wrote: Bo, thanks for your explanation but I really don't think people currently don't know about the hard and ongoing updation a good quality software undergoes. Much less people that understand or barely understand Sandboxie added value. I perceive, in this case (SandboxieUser42), a mere trolling posts, otherwise this user needs to self-educate quite a bit more.
As I wrote several times before I would pay for these updates if I need them. So, please do not argue against something that no one had said.
Mr.X wrote: @anyone
For any other beggars trying to be cheap (sorry for being rude), remember my clumsy analogy already posted:
As I wrote several times before I'm willed to pay more than the average user, just not every year.
JoeHood wrote:The hambuger analogy needs also the free version. How about this; you are hungry, you go to a place that is world famous for their hamburgers. That is how they make their profit. The chef is also world famous for his soup. It has bits of the same exact hamburger in the soup. The owner gives you the soup for free, because you are hungry. And he keeps giving you free soup, no matter how often you come in. You bring your friends, and he gives them free soup also. But if you want the hambuger you need to pay for it.

And if the chef goes to chef school and improves his hamburger, he might charge more for his hamburger. But if he does not learn anything new, that does not mean that he now has to give the hamburger away for free.
It's still an unfitting comparison because you need to produce the whole hamburger every time (the soup as well). But let's take this as an initial cost (for SB). If I want some improvements of the hamburger, the cost of that would be small compared to the hamburger (cost for upgrades).
So in Software you could have an initial cost for all work already done and a smaller cost for updates.
More fitting example would be your hardware system. You can run it as long you want. Over time the performance becomes worse and you can buy an upgrade for your PC.

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I'm willed to pay for SB and for updates. I am also willing to pay for it before the work has been done.
One year is just a too short time.

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Dun » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:37 am

http://goo.gl/alkmpn
goes to
https://www.cleverbridge.com/296/?scope ... JP-TBR-BL5

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This is old link where you could buy lifetime license. Not sure if you still can. The question is on how many PC you own this license can be simultaneously used?
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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by bo.elam » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:32 pm

Dun wrote:The question is on how many PC you own this license can be simultaneously used?
Dun, Invincea has said many times, Lifetime license is lifetime license. No asterisk. If you don't have a license, I suggest you get one now.

Bo

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Re: Add lifetime/perpetual license again please

Post by Dun » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:46 pm

Eh... They changed license terms. The buy page http://www.sandboxie.com/index.php?RegisterSandboxie says
The lifetime/perpetual license has been discontinued.
This doesn't seems to be true because I was able to buy lifetime license with a key that does not have expiration date. The question is if I can use the key on all PC I own. License terms has changed http://forums.sandboxie.com/phpBB3/view ... =2&t=16676 They said lifetime licenses will be honored for those who bought it in the past and latest promo in May. So current state is unknown because EULA doesn't cover this case.

But I guess lifetime is lifetime for personal use so I can use it on all PC I own.
Thanks bo
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