OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

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Re: Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:49 am

Hello X-Gamer,

Please see this thread below and provide the exact information required so that I can test the scenario.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19746

What is the setup for the remote session? Is it a VM? Is another host?
I need steps to reproduce the issue and see what is happening.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:52 pm

Hello,

Yes at the PC different users at one pc with remote app that need run in sandboxie because is only runable without sandboxie one time limited and when run in sandboxie it can run at all users accounts and when users connect remotly they only can control Windows taskbar etc other windows that are started outside sandboxie only with the parameter OpenWinClass=*

If OpenWinClass=* is not set then that not work an users can only control the remote app window and other programs that are started in sandboxie :(



The Windows version number? ==== Windows 10 Creators Update x64
Sandboxie version number ===== 5.20
NAME & Version/build numbers of any applications involved? Sandboxie ,, All Programs or Games
Are you running antivirus/anti-malware software? Mostly ESET sometimes Kaspersky if one makes problem.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:25 pm

Hello X-Gamer,

I remoted using RDP to a Win 10x64 CU machine via a Win 7 computer, and I was able to launch and use Kodi Sandboxed inside the remote session.

If you can provide the exact steps to reproduce the issue, I will give them a go.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Barb@Invincea wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:25 pm
Hello X-Gamer,

I remoted using RDP to a Win 10x64 CU machine via a Win 7 computer, and I was able to launch and use Kodi Sandboxed inside the remote session.

If you can provide the exact steps to reproduce the issue, I will give them a go.

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Hello,
You done
With OpenWinClass=* enabled ?


I use TightVNC Client and Server . And also same at Steam In Home Streaming. Always BSOD at KODI and different Games also when in Windowed Mode or in Windowed Fullscreen mode and also in Fullscreenmoder also at KODI. Always BSOD.


Also atm i use without OpenWinClass=* but very bad most things cannot be controled only windows and applications inside sandboxie otutside windows and taskbar not only when OpenWinClass=* enabled but then BSOD .


Also without OpenWinClass=* atm i always get after 1 - 3 days often also 2 hoiurs after restart of computer. a BSOD with NETIO.SYS :(

Updated already all drivers and so on but still same problem.


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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:45 am

Hello X-Gamer,

" * " is triggering a BSOD so I did not use that setting. You should only try it for testing purposes anyways.

Please provide the exact setup and repro steps to see the issue and I will test it. My previous tests did not return any problems, so I need you to walk me thru it so that I can have a look at the issue.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:04 pm

Barb@Invincea wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:45 am
Hello X-Gamer,

" * " is triggering a BSOD so I did not use that setting. You should only try it for testing purposes anyways.

Please provide the exact setup and repro steps to see the issue and I will test it. My previous tests did not return any problems, so I need you to walk me thru it so that I can have a look at the issue.

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Thanks but i dont know what else you need! ? .

I need OpenWinClass=* without it only the Software / App / Applactation / the Prgram is controlable but nothing outside then the mouse hangs .

See here: Why i need it / why its needed no other way :(


viewtopic.php?f=17&t=22054&p=128985#p120574


Ad other problem now since newest versions of Sandboxie is that when changing tthe default audio output it changes in all sandboxie and at all users that never was before now every user hear the other users sound . !?

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:15 am

Hello X-Gamer,

What I tested before seemed to have worked fine, so I am not sure exactly how are you reproducing the problem.
I can give it another go if you give me exact steps to reproduce the problem .

For example:

1- Install X applications
2- Use blah blah settings
3 - Launch Y Sandboxed
4 - Perform specific action
5 - See the issue.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:20 pm

Hello,


The problem with OpenWinClass=* now also when i start steam sandboxied / in sandbox and start steam in home streaming with OpenWinClass=* then open taskbar windows startmenu or exploerer then the apc index missmatch comes. without OpenWinClass=* its not contorlable then i cannot open exlpoerer ort starmenu with windows button in taskbar because only sandboxied things work no control things outside sandbox.


there is no no more things to reproduce only settings enabled is ths what brings me BSOD === OpenWinClass=*


all others like : OpenIpcPath=\Device\PhysicalMemory
OpenPipePath=\Device\QWAVEdrv

not make bluescreen but windows / apps outside sandbox cannot used / controled with mouse or keyboard. with OpenWinClass=* it works but get after some secounds the BSOD apc_index_missmatch



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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:36 pm

Hi X-Gamer,

As covered, we are aware of the BSOD caused by opening "*". We only recommend to use that for testing purposes.

I would like you to tell me what's the original problem, the one that requires you to use "*" in order to bypass it.
When I tested, I did not use that open class, and I was able to remote it to a pc and use Kodi (which is one of the applications that you mentioned).
Without the exact steps and scenarios needed to reproduce the original problem, I cannot test it to see if there's anything else to do about it.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:03 pm

Barb@Invincea wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:36 pm
Hi X-Gamer,

As covered, we are aware of the BSOD caused by opening "*". We only recommend to use that for testing purposes.

I would like you to tell me what's the original problem, the one that requires you to use "*" in order to bypass it.
When I tested, I did not use that open class, and I was able to remote it to a pc and use Kodi (which is one of the applications that you mentioned).
Without the exact steps and scenarios needed to reproduce the original problem, I cannot test it to see if there's anything else to do about it.

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Barb.-
Please for help you need read what i wrote for what i need the * at openwinclass !!!

Also here please: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=22054&p=128985 whokle thread and my posts thanks

i think you not understand why i need it !?!??

its with steam link or steam in home streaming from other comp but also when i use tightvnc you have done all right at me i get BSOD why you not get i dont know .

when i use without it it works but then its useless and with * i get BSOD never got that before newest evrsion how / what can i do to not get the BSOD with Openwinclass * or how can i make that steam or other software can control apps outside sandbox / has access to contorl otheside apps that are not sandboxed ?

Need i wait at new version of sandboxie ?

Also you read what i wrote because of audio !??!?

thanks

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Barb@Invincea » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:13 pm

Hi X-Gamer,

What I am suggesting is that if you provide me with the exact steps to set up an environment similar to yours, I can test if there is anything else , aside from " * " that we can open to allow the interaction you want.
However, do keep in mind that Sandboxie was meant to isolate programs, so it may not be a possible scenario. Yet, I am willing to test it, if you provide the exact setup.

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:05 pm

Barb@Invincea wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:13 pm
Hi X-Gamer,

What I am suggesting is that if you provide me with the exact steps to set up an environment similar to yours, I can test if there is anything else , aside from " * " that we can open to allow the interaction you want.
However, do keep in mind that Sandboxie was meant to isolate programs, so it may not be a possible scenario. Yet, I am willing to test it, if you provide the exact setup.

Regards,
Barb.-


Thanks you not read the tread as is said ?

Yes i know sandboxie is not for that but i can use it and it worked very good for it with OpenWinClass * since Win 10 CU Update with BSODS now.
There is no other Software out there i testet much things tto run Steam Multiple Times and get Access outside to Windows Desktop things.

I use it with Multiseat Software Aster V7 from IBIK.

So at 1 PC 6 People can work or Play.


Problem is that when without * at OpenWinClass then user cannot interact in Windows 10 with Taskbar or other Programms, Settings etc that are not Sandboxed because Steam must be Sandboxed to RUN Multiple Times at 1 PC. So without * at OpenWinClass user can only Control Steam and Apps or things startet in Sandbox but not Taskbar or System Control Panel or something like that is not running in Sandboxie.

I think you never read that i wrote same things often that without * this things are not Controlable. because this things cannot be sandboxed and run always in Windows the Taskbar , Start Menur etc .

Also with OpenWinClass * the Windows 10 Apps are not controlable why that ? Can they be Sandboxie or what other things must be set for Windows 10 Apps ?

Also is ther eno way to fix BlueScreen BSOD at OpenWinClass * ??? Only with disable it ? but as said i need it .

Use Steam In Homestreaming or TightVNC also make bluescreen at " * " .


Also have Problem since Windows 10 CU that user can set or i set Audio Output for all users a Different but Sandboxie not Saves it always changes when a users changes before it worked. :( So every users hers the sound from other if they not change sound output before start game but also if other forgot change same problem :(



Whats other things you need ?

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Syrinx » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:50 pm

X-Gamer wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:05 pm
I use it with Multiseat Software Aster V7 from IBIK.

An older notice:
http://www.ibik.ru/version-for-windows-10
Attention! The Aster V7 is incompatible with Windows 10!
I was going to try and reproduce but I can't find a download for 'just V7':
Only: http://www.ibik.ru/downloads-free-trial
and also has:
License keys from ASTER V7х2х32/64 and ASTER V7х6х32/64 are not suitable for ASTER v2.xx.
which makes me think your V7 may be one of the older ones?

It seems some V7 versions aren't even supported on Win10. Have you tested any of this stuff without sandboxie in the mix at all to ensure it works as expected since the CU with just the ASTER you have?

Which version are you using exactly? Have you tried the v2.18?
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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by X-Gamer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:14 pm

Syrinx wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:50 pm
X-Gamer wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:05 pm
I use it with Multiseat Software Aster V7 from IBIK.

An older notice:
http://www.ibik.ru/version-for-windows-10
Attention! The Aster V7 is incompatible with Windows 10!
I was going to try and reproduce but I can't find a download for 'just V7':
Only: http://www.ibik.ru/downloads-free-trial
and also has:
License keys from ASTER V7х2х32/64 and ASTER V7х6х32/64 are not suitable for ASTER v2.xx.
which makes me think your V7 may be one of the older ones?

It seems some V7 versions aren't even supported on Win10. Have you tested any of this stuff without sandboxie in the mix at all to ensure it works as expected since the CU with just the ASTER you have?

Which version are you using exactly? Have you tried the v2.18?
Thanks yes im on the Version v2.18 they support Windows 10 since start 2016.

Yes it has nothing todo with Aster V7 i tested with it uninstalled same BSOD first thought its Atser then many tests etc found that it is Sandboxie.

The OpenWinClass * but how i can to what i need without OpenWinClass * ?? Or find why i get with OpenWinCalss * the BSOD with APC Index Missmatch ?

Also v2.18 ist compatible with Windows 10 :) Trial Download Link: http://www.ibik.ru/download/Aster/v2_18 ... TER218.exe

But as said also without Aster Installed only 1 User and Sandboxie get this BSOD with OpenWinClass *

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Re: OpenWinClass=* - Bluescreens since Version 5.18

Post by Syrinx » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:38 pm

X-Gamer wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:14 pm
But as said also without Aster Installed only 1 User and Sandboxie get this BSOD with OpenWinClass *
Ah I must have missed that when skimming over all the posts. I downloaded and tried it in a VM but it seems Aster has the same issue with the workspace in a VM as it does with stuff in Sandboxie and I can't even see when I move the mouse on an unsandboxed workspace started by aster after a reboot. Doesn't look like I'm gonna get very far testing or reproducing this in a simple VM so I doubt I end up being much help:-/

I was able to keyboard test one program with the resource access monitor open and only saw two things to attempt opening instead of * but as my mouse wasn't working anyway I couldn't tell if it would change anything.
Instead of
OpenWinClass=*

Would you be willing to see if adding these two instead changes anything and gets the mouse working? I'd be shocked if it actually did but no harm at least testing it I guess?
OpenWinClass=OLLYDBG
OpenWinClass=WinDbgFrameClass
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